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hello

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and welcome to episode number eight of

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the point of convergence podcast

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as always i'm your host exo academian

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when one considers the history of the

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ufo phenomenon

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both recent and going well back to the

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middle part of the 20th century

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one thing is clear subterfuge is an

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ongoing and ever-present element of the

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entire enterprise

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when these elusive craft are seen it's

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often at night and on average

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in less densely populated areas when

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they are spotted over city centers

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some people will see these unidentified

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aerial phenomena

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while others will not because on top of

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being elusive

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the intelligence behind these craft show

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a clear ability to manipulate

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human perception directly in whatever

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way it

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sees fit it is fair to say that you only

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see them

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and then there are the witnesses the

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abductees

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and the contactees known collectively as

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the experiencers

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when these people do remember coming

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into contact with these apparently

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non-human intelligences

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it's often in fits and starts the

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memories are foggy and disjointed

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for this reason many of these

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experiencers seek out trained therapists

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to conduct hypnotic regression in hopes

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of pulling additional details

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from the ether of the deep subconscious

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and when the embedded events do

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eventually arise in memory

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it's often clear that significant

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portions of the experiencer's life

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have either been blocked from conscious

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memory or

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masked as other events that didn't tell

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the whole

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or true story these shards of recall

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often touch on genetic manipulation even

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the witnessing of apparent

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alien humid hybridization programs

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the question we're left with is why why

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the secrecy

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why the hiddenness what's behind the

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stealthy nature of this alien

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intelligence

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what can we tease from the data

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regarding the potential motivations

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behind these actions

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is this sign of a daunting looming

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threat of enormous proportions

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or is a completely different future in

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play one that involves a cooperative

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inter-species relationship

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and a subsequently completely changed

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human civilization

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these compelling questions are the topic

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of this

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the eighth episode of the point of

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convergence podcast

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to set the scene for today's episode i'd

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like to read

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a section from a book written by an

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experiencer

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was for now though it doesn't really

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this is a very common occurrence this is

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quite typical for any experiencer

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i quote at some point we reach the brow

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of a hill

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and below in the valley a long stretch

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of road ran

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parallel to a line of hills for some

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distance it was then that we noticed

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two bright white lights large and

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stationary

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side by side in the sky some distance

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and off to the left above the hills

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helicopter said pete

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it's not moving i replied hovering he

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landing lights i thought perhaps they

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were the lights of a top dresser

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heading directly towards us flying to a

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farm airstrip for the night

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helicopter pete insisted but the lights

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remained in the same position

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by now we were descending towards the

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strait and that anxious feeling returned

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as we watched the lights

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i looked briefly at pete and saw a

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mixture of interest and uncertainty on

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his face

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which i attributed to him wanting to be

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right about it being a helicopter

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rather than a light aircraft he liked to

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abruptly the light switched off or

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directly to our left and parallel with

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pete instinctively eased off on the

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accelerator and changed down into second

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close over an adjacent hill too close

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only a few seconds had elapsed since we

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and for a few seconds more nothing else

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untoward happened

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i felt a flood of relief and pete's

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it's a bloody helicopter had a

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reassuring ring about them

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in those suspended seconds in time my

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rational mind was

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already telling me everything was okay

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trying to fit a bizarre occurrence

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into a familiar box to appease my senses

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and emotions

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with alarming speed the lights again

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switched off

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and reappeared instantaneously back

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along the line of hills ahead of us

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near where we had first sighted them

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now fear and panic really gripped us

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both and we were barely crawling along

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in second gear

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eyes fastened on the lights pete

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murmured

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what the hell is that uncertainty tinged

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the lights pulsed several times in quick

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succession before expanding and

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brightening

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as if merging into one larger light pete

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halted the car completely

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the light switched off again we

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frantically swiveled our heads around

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scanning the sky expecting to see them

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reappear

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somewhere else i wound my window right

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down for a better look

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nothing i think it's gone what do you

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think it was i asked

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how the hell would i know let's get out

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of here this is really weird

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pete accelerated off and in his haste to

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get away

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crunched the gears and swore loudly

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thrashing into third gear

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within seconds pete's voice broke the

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secure silence

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oh god he said quietly what what's the

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pete's eyes were fixed on the rear

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vision mirror all the color had drained

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from his face and his mouth was a thin

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purple line it's coming up behind us he

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struggling to hold on to my long hair

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flailing in the wind for some reason i

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had to see it myself

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even though terrible fear was mixed with

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an equally terrible sense of

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awe and curiosity an enormous sphere of

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brilliant white light

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as wide as the road was racing up behind

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about 30 meters or so above the ground

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it was too bright to look at directly

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and my eyes squinted and watered in a

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struggle to see anything at all

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pete was absolutely yelling now quick

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get your head in the bloody window

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hey what's going on the car's motor died

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it was upon us i could hear pete

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shouting and swearing and someone

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screaming

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a piercing high-pitched shrill

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descending to a guttural choking sound

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as breath

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dazzling white light radiated around us

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as if we had been swallowed up by it

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surely this thing would pass over us and

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in the midst of the hell and confusion

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my brain registered the fact that pete

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had suddenly lapsed into silence

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and it seemed to take ages to turn my

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head in his direction

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i could only just see him sitting

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motionless as if asleep

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with his arms flopped at his sides an

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intense buzzing

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a rasping electronic sound reverberated

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through my entire body

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and my ears hurt as if a forceful

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suction was being applied to my ear

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canals

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the car vibrated violently followed by a

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feeling of compression

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and then smoothness as if the car had

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actually left the road

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and become airborne and i could liken it

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to the feeling you get in the pit of

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as an aircraft rises from the tarmac

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i tried to shut the window and the last

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image i recall seeing

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through narrowed eyelids was my arm

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moving as if in slow motion towards the

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the intensity of the light was

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excruciating and the continuous

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buzzing noise had increased in both

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pitch and rate of vibration

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until it was almost unbearable

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everything surrounding me became so

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blindingly white

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that i can only assume my body and mind

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must have shut down

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at that point i too must have lost

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a sharp cracking sound in my eardrums

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woke me from what

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i thought was a deep sleep into pitch

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i felt vague and confused uncertain

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where i was

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there was a soothing rocking sensation

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like floatation

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and forward movement a whooshing sound

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of rushing air and my hair was blowing

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all around my face

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someone moved near me and a loud

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familiar voice jolted me abruptly into a

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strange reality

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what the hell is going on i bounced and

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lurched forward on the seat belt as the

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car hit the ground with a terrific thud

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the motor revved into life and lights

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came on in front of me

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snapping me instantly into full

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awareness and i cried out

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gripping the seat belt to steady myself

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pete was swearing and fighting to regain

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control of the car

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as the bridge at the far end of the

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street loomed up in front of us

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roaring and ringing sounds blared in my

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ears and i was unbearably thirsty

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my mouth devoid of moisture memory of

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some lights in the sky sprang into my

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mind

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along with confusion and panic about

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something where's the light pete

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i asked tentatively what light you know

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we saw some lights

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i scanned the sky now transformed from

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my memory of late afternoon sunlight

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to complete darkness a rising sense of

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panic gripped me as vague memories began

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to filter back of the lights

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shut the bloody window it's freezing

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pete roared

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it's dark something's happened remember

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now while the details of this person's

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experience

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may be unique the overall scenario is

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all too familiar strange lights in the

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sky

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moving in peculiar ways engine failure

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missing time paralysis and the

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incapacitation of

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others these are all elements of the ufo

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now perhaps not surprisingly to you i

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hold to the hypothesis

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that there are actually good reasons for

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the stealthiness

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of ufo intelligence and that their

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ultimate intentions towards us

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are benevolent now to be certain

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not everyone agrees with me there are

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some who have studied this topic

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in depth and have come to different

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conclusions

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in the podcast review of richard dolan's

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the alien agendas book

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i mentioned dr david jacobs

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now dr jacob's work suggests something

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entirely different

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he conducts hypnotic regression on

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clients

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and then draws conclusions based on what

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he notices

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comparing data points on those clients

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and again for those who are not familiar

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with this technique

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hypnotic regression involves putting

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clients into a kind of

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trance-like state in which the idea is

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you can

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uncover memories that have been buried

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deep in the subconscious

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and when david jacobs considers the

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evidence he's gathered from

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doing many regressions on different

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clients he comes to the conclusion

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that the news is not good he has

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concluded that there is an

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alien species present on the earth that

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is actively trying to

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take over the world

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now to jacobs this fully explains the

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stealthiness of ufo intelligence

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from his point of view they are planning

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on plotting a massive takeover of the

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entire planet

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they see us as obstacles in the way of

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their domination

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and he goes further he believes there is

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an active hybridization program going on

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where alien human hybrids are created

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that look just like us

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but the human part of them is basically

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zombie-like and they walk around

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so what do you think of jacob's

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conclusions it certainly fits some of

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the data

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it would explain why these ufos slash

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uaps

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are elusive why they would be in hiding

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it also explains why people have missing

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time

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and scary memories of being on board uap

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craft it would also explain why

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some abductees remember strange medical

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procedures being done upon them

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when dna seems to be extracted and it

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would also explain why some people

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have vivid memories of seeing what

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looked like alien human hybrids

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and lastly it would also explain why

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some abductees remember these beings

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these grays

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being surprisingly cold and seemingly

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unfeeling

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in their attitude towards the abductees

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so again some of the data points that

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jacobs has put together

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do seem to at least plausibly support

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his hypothesis

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this takeover hypothesis

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but as i mentioned on a previous podcast

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some people have

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problems and take issue with the way

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jacobs approaches this work

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some people question the entire

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objectivity of the process

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when the same person are writing books

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about this drawing conclusions

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is the one conducting these hypnotic

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regressions

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and there has been some suggestion that

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not everyone gets included in these

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regressions

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and we have no way of knowing whether

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jacobs is only

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cherry picking you could say which

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regressions he includes

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in putting together these data points

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and to be clear i'm not suggesting that

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david jacobs is doing this consciously

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deliberately that he's trying to skew

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the data

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what i'm suggesting is that there are

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reasons why safeguards are in place with

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these kinds of studies

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because very often unconscious bias

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comes into the process

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and lastly as i mentioned in the podcast

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episode where we discussed richard

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dolan's

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the alien agendas book there are other

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hypnotic regressionist

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therapists who come to very different

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conclusions

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i brought up barbara lamb in that

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episode she is someone who's conducted

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many many of these regressions over

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decades in fact

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and she's come to precisely the the

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opposite conclusions as

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jacobs in the vast majority of her cases

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she reports clients who remember very

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positive experiences with these others

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and even those who initially have

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frightening experiences

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because of the sheer ontological shock

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often come to see their experiences in a

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positive light given enough time

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so again one has to question why the

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discrepancy in the data

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and as i mentioned in that podcast

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episode apparently barbara lam has

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reached out to jacobs to

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ask that they get together and compare

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data to try and reconcile these

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differences

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and from her perspective she did not

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hear back from jacobs

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again that does raise some questions and

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as you may have noticed by now we keep

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coming back to this issue of

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sheer ontological shock one really can't

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overstate this

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when one comes into contact with these

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beings suddenly

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and unexpectedly shock and

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a fight or flight kind of mentality

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kicks in

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but again with time and perspective

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often the

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experience or the interpretation of the

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experience changes

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travis walton is just such an example

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recently on the joe rogan show

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he discussed how over time he began to

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see that these beings that

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took him up into their craft were

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actually trying to help him to heal him

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that from his point of view he was

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accidentally injured when he got too

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close to the craft

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they took him on board and worked on him

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medically to heal him

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and he says that the movie made about

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his experience fire in the sky

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inaccurately describes what actually

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happened

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in that movie it looks like these

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creatures are cold and unfeeling

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and sort of striking him while he's

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lying on a medical table

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he says the actual experience was quite

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different

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he was the one lashing out at them again

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because of just the sheer shock of the

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travis walton also shared another

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interesting

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perspective that's changed for him again

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we've talked about the

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sort of cold unfeeling stairs uh from

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these greys

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what walton came to as a conclusion over

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time when he had decades to think about

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it was

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if these are telepathic creatures which

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he experienced

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then eventually you would evolve to the

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point where you wouldn't need facial

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expressions

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and to a human being who's used to

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relying on these expressions to

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understand the feeling the intent of the

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other

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it could understandably be misconstrued

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misunderstood

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as cold and unfeeling but again that

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just has to do with the difference

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between the species

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after all why would you need facial

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expressions or body language

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for that matter when you can

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telepathically send

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a perfect clear crystalline message of

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your full feeling and intent

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to another and that seems to be the case

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near the beginning of this podcast

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episode i read

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a segment from a book from an

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experiencer who had a very frightening

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abduction experience you recall it

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involved lights in the sky

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suddenly a craft or bright lights anyway

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being over top of their car

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and then loss of consciousness followed

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by missing time

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and a feeling of paranoia

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after all who wouldn't initially feel

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paranoia

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after recognizing that time was missing

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hours in fact

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and that you had to sense that something

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was done to you that you

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did not have knowledge of and did not

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consent to

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and again this kind of scenario is not

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uncommon

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in fact it's extremely common thousands

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and thousands of people

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all around the world have had

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experiences just like this

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and that's the ones we know about who

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knows how many people have kept these

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stories to themselves

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suffering silently well in this

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particular case

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that account was written by someone

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named susie hansen

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who's an experiencer from new zealand

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she's from a part of new zealand that's

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famous for ufo sightings actually

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and she's written a very compelling book

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which i highly recommend

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called the dual soul connection

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in fact the part of the book i read is

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from that very book

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the dual soul connection what's

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fascinating about this book

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is that over time hansen had a variety

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an onslaught of memories come back about

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these experiences

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what actually happened to her when her

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car was lifted

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up into a craft and she met beings there

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now try and imagine the level of shock

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she experienced when

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the memories began to emerge what

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happened during that missing time

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what she recalled during regression and

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elsewhere

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was that she was lifted up into a craft

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and greeted by beings

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that she recognized in fact not only did

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she recognize them

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but she had known them for her entire

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life

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in fact it goes beyond that she realizes

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over time that she knew these beings

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even before she incarnated into this

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iteration

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as a human being and there's more

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not only did she realize she knew these

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beings intimately

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and that she had known them not only her

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entire human life

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but even at a time before that when she

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was between

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incarnations furthermore she

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over time realized that she had what she

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calls a dual soul

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she was part gray part human

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yes indeed she was one of these very

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alien human hybrids

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we've heard about now just like david

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jacobs reports we have some of the same

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phenomena happening

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to someone like susie hansen she's taken

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from her car abducted you could say

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taken into an

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ufo a craft and there she sees

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graves and other kinds of aliens and she

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sees

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these babies that are clearly hybrids

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between

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and just like david jacobs susie hansen

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becomes

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aware over time of a vast scheme a grand

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plan to change human civilization to

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change the future of humanity

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and the destiny of planet earth itself

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but that's where the similarities

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between jacobs and someone like hansen

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ends because her knowledge of the plan

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involves

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00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:41,200
a future where good is intended for

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humankind

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00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:44,080
where the growth of human consciousness

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00:21:47,430 --> 00:21:45,360
is the aim

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00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:47,440
and the benefit of the entire planet

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00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:49,440
human beings and every other animal

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00:21:54,470 --> 00:21:50,480
species

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present and from her perspective the

607
00:21:58,630 --> 00:21:55,600
stealthiness

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00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:58,640
of ufo intelligence the delay

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00:22:02,230 --> 00:22:01,039
in disclosure is all about trying to

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avoid

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a destabilizing of the human population

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again from her book the dual soul

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connection i quote

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many of us have considered the instant

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and potentially devastating

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ramifications

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to our civilization if disclosure takes

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place before we are ready

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00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:22,080
it makes sense that when the time of

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global disclosure comes

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in whatever way it may manifest a

622
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structure will be needed to deal with

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those ramifications

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since it will be such a major global

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00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:34,240
shift that not everyone

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or every societal group or organization

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00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:38,840
will be able to make that leap

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00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:43,039
easily now while this explanation

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for the stealthiness the hiddenness of

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ufo intelligence

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00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:49,600
will be astonishing to some especially

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00:22:52,630 --> 00:22:51,360
if they haven't come across these ideas

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00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:52,640
before

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00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:54,559
let me assure you that susie hansen is

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00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:55,760
not the only person

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00:22:59,909 --> 00:22:57,600
saying this she is not the only

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00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:59,919
experiencer recounting these kind of

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00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:00,799
memories

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00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:03,360
and a sense of some larger grand plan

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00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:04,000
for good

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00:23:11,270 --> 00:23:06,480
and for the betterment of humanity and

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00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:13,590
now in the interest of time i won't go

643
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:15,520
into any of those other accounts right

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00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:16,240
now

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00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:17,919
but i would refer you to a couple of

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00:23:20,830 --> 00:23:19,760
books if you're interested in pursuing

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00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:20,840
this

648
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:24,080
further yossi ronan has written a book

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00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:24,559
called

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00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:27,840
one face-to-face contact experiencing et

651
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:30,159
consciousness and human consciousness

652
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:31,280
evolution

653
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:34,000
and he describes a knowledge of a plan

654
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:35,280
very similar to what

655
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:37,760
suzy hansen talks about and that at some

656
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:39,200
future point he will become

657
00:23:42,870 --> 00:23:42,080
like an active agent in the disclosure

658
00:23:45,269 --> 00:23:42,880
process

659
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:45,279
to help human beings adjust to this

660
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:46,799
reality

661
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:49,279
and sherry wilde is a u.s experiencer

662
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:50,640
who like hansen

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00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:53,760
over time began to remember recall these

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00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:54,880
experiences

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00:24:00,310 --> 00:23:58,000
going back an entire lifetime and before

666
00:24:01,750 --> 00:24:00,320
that she had indeed been a volunteer for

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00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:01,760
this program

668
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:04,400
and her book is titled the forgotten

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00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:05,039
promise

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00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:08,799
rejoining our cosmic family

671
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:11,039
what's fascinating about susie hansen's

672
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:12,640
book is that she is not

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00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:14,159
vague about the plans and the

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00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:16,559
implementation in fact she goes into

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00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:18,559
astounding detail

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00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:20,960
and i quote from her book before

677
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:23,120
completing the regression the therapist

678
00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:25,039
asked me if i felt the humans who were

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00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:27,200
on board the craft on this occasion were

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00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:29,039
military personnel

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00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:31,360
i made the following statements they are

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00:24:34,710 --> 00:24:32,080
like a police

683
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:34,720
force but not actually a police force i

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00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:36,159
understand they are trained and

685
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:38,000
integrated right across societies

686
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:39,120
worldwide

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00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:41,039
indicative of a behind-the-scenes

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00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:43,200
preparation for when the public becomes

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00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:44,159
more aware

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00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:46,480
of the extraterrestrial presence or a

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00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:48,480
specific form of disclosure

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00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:52,799
occurs she goes on to say

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00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:55,200
they are part of a preparatory structure

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00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:56,320
a framework

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00:25:01,590 --> 00:24:58,720
so that when contact becomes more open

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00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:01,600
and accepted by mankind in the future

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00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:03,120
these people will assist with a

698
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:04,799
transition process

699
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:06,159
and there will be this immediate

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00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:08,880
organizational structure in place

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00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:11,919
more readily accepted by humans

702
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:14,080
it is a societal framework upon which

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00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:16,080
contact can rest

704
00:25:19,269 --> 00:25:18,159
the time frame for this is rather like a

705
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:19,279
piece of elastic

706
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:22,080
it can expand and contract constantly

707
00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:24,159
adjusting according to the ups and downs

708
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:26,000
of the whole awareness process

709
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:29,200
of humans it is a spiral process rather

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00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:30,720
than a linear process

711
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:33,679
which may take many years i believe a

712
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:35,919
societal framework upon which contact

713
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:36,880
can rest

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00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:39,600
are significant words many people are

715
00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:41,520
pushing for governments and militaries

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00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:42,159
worldwide

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00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:43,840
to divulge what they know about

718
00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:46,080
extraterrestrial visitation

719
00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:48,080
but perhaps they will never divulge this

720
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:50,000
to us instead

721
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:52,400
bearing in mind there may be any number

722
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:53,679
of human groups working

723
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:56,159
with any number of alien visitors it

724
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:58,159
would seem that some groups at least

725
00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:00,240
are putting a structure in place to

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00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:02,400
assist mankind when we do finally

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00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:03,200
acknowledge

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00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:10,070
in wrapping up this episode let's

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00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:11,679
consider the fact that we've looked at

730
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:14,320
two very different hypotheses two very

731
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:15,360
different ways

732
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:18,480
of making sense of the data but make no

733
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:19,039
mistake

734
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:22,080
the secrecy and stealthiness is real it

735
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:24,320
is a fact of the matter

736
00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:27,039
they meaning ufo intelligence are not

737
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:29,919
accidentally being clandestine

738
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:32,799
the question is which hypothesis better

739
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:34,159
fits the data

740
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:40,549
now again some people perhaps those more

741
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:42,640
focused on the nuts and bolts nature of

742
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:44,159
ufo craft

743
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:46,159
will be put off by accounts like susie

744
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:47,760
hanson and sherry wilde

745
00:26:53,590 --> 00:26:51,840
and yossi ronan and yet we've seen

746
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:53,600
as we've discussed these various

747
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:55,360
modalities these various contact

748
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:56,320
modalities

749
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:58,159
that these different categories of high

750
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:00,400
strangeness keep occurring together

751
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:03,039
that often ufo experiences have a

752
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:04,559
spiritual nature to them

753
00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:06,960
and that it's not unusual for past lives

754
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:08,799
or the period in between lives

755
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:13,750
just a couple of additional points i'd

756
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:15,760
like to make i think you know which

757
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:16,640
hypothesis

758
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:18,880
i lean towards i've kind of shown my

759
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:21,520
cards over time on this podcast

760
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:23,840
i would just say if their goal was

761
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:24,640
domination

762
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:26,880
or annihilation they could have done it

763
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:28,159
a long time ago

764
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:29,760
because they have such a clear

765
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:33,600
technological superiority

766
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:36,480
i'd also add that if a slow bleed kind

767
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:38,480
of disclosure is what the aim is

768
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:41,039
amongst these others that seems to be

769
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:42,159
working

770
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:44,559
the larger culture beyond those of us

771
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:47,120
fascinated and obsessed with ufology

772
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:49,120
is only slowly and incrementally

773
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:50,960
becoming aware of this

774
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:54,000
larger phenomenon

775
00:27:57,029 --> 00:27:56,559
lastly what is most compelling of all to

776
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:57,039
me

777
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:59,360
in terms of this benevolent e.t

778
00:28:03,190 --> 00:28:00,720
hypothesis

779
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:03,200
is the fact that as i've said before

780
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:04,640
oneness consciousness

781
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:07,679
seems to be the inevitable trajectory of

782
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:10,159
evolution

783
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:12,480
and on that note we've come to the close

784
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:14,240
of another edition of the point of

785
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:16,480
convergence podcast i hope you've

786
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:18,000
enjoyed it

787
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:20,000
as always let's keep the conversation

788
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:22,159
going and let's keep the conversation

789
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:23,600
growing

790
00:28:28,389 --> 00:28:25,919
but until next time from deep in the